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temperance14Among all the other homework assignments I've given myself, I want to work my way through the metrics exercises in Stephen Fry's (yes, that one) book on poetry An Ode Less Travelled.**
His aim is to get you writing, a little bit everyday. To be a hobbyist poet: to just enjoy the creation of the work, as a hobby painter would. Learn your craft, learn its techniques---but do learn to just do and doodle it.
Stephen starts off explaining accentual-syllabic meter and gets into iambic feet right in the first chapter. First writing assignment for the reader is a challenge to write ten lines OR couplets of iambic pentameter.
And I thinks to meself, Self, you'd rather start off with something more basic, more instinctual.
Anglo Saxon poetry.
Don't count the syllables. Just count the number of accented syllables. Make it four per line, and don't worry about the unaccented syllables.
There should be a casesura, a pause, in the middle of the lines. It can be noted with punctuation, such as commas, dashes, colons semi and un-semi. Or just some kind of mental pause, or a gathering of breath if you spoke.
And alliteration. A.S. poetry doesn't rhyme--its sound echoes come at the start of the syllable, not the end.
And note: Not the first letter of the word, but of the first letter/sound of the accented syllable. "BeSIDE" would alliterate on the "S" sound, not "B".
Now, here's where the opinions differ.
Stephen describes it describes the rhythm (because if it doesn't have a rhythm or pattern, it ain't poetry), as boom-boom-boom-crash. He says you alliterate the first three accented syllables and the final one does not. The first three set up the pattern (boom-boom-boom) and the final gets some attention by refusing to go along (crash).
Other books*** (try Miller Williams wonderful Patterns of Poetry) suggest an easier style: that third accented syllable alliterates with the first AND/OR second syllable. Again, the last syllable mustn't alliterate.
Or just make it easy on yourself: 4 accented beats, and get some alliteration in there. Oh, and by the way, in A.S. poetry, all vowels alliterate with each other. I at least like to do it up Irish, and divide my vowels into "broad" and "narrow" and alliterate those.
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So....
Give me a few lines, hopefully at least four. Each with four beats, Make them alliterate at least once in each line. Yes, you can have enjambments between lines and couplets.
Topic: How's your day starting out? Anglo Saxon is good for strong statements, declarations of feelings and opinions, editorials, or just plain venting.
Of course, if you are feeling a bit more mellow, you can just give me lines and couplets of iambic pentameter, if you like.
And if you just feel like staring at your coffee, observe your cup and cubicle, and give me some senyru.
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**commercial note here to state that Stephen Fry is an amusing lad, and if you don't know poetry but are curious, he makes this less painful...and if you have suffered through a poetry class and know all your Greek terms, this book will finally let you enjoy the art and quiet thought of violent revenge against your past literature instructors
***Paul Taylor had some wonderful variations used in Icelandic poetry. Iceland uses the 4 accents and alliterate version noted by Miller Williams, and call it Epic Meter.
They have another vesion called Chant Meter which works in couplets. The first line is the standard 4 beat accentual, but the 2nd line of the couplet has only three accented syllables. This is where you see the start of Ballad meter and Emily Dickenson and the Yellow Rose of Texas.****
****And if you've discovered that old chestnut that much of Emily Dickenson's poetry can be sung to "The Yellow Rose of Texas", you might also like this page that notes that "the Shooting of Dan McGrew" has the same pattern as AeroSmith's "Walk This Way" has the same rhythmic pattern as the shooting of Dan McGrew.
His aim is to get you writing, a little bit everyday. To be a hobbyist poet: to just enjoy the creation of the work, as a hobby painter would. Learn your craft, learn its techniques---but do learn to just do and doodle it.
Stephen starts off explaining accentual-syllabic meter and gets into iambic feet right in the first chapter. First writing assignment for the reader is a challenge to write ten lines OR couplets of iambic pentameter.
And I thinks to meself, Self, you'd rather start off with something more basic, more instinctual.
Anglo Saxon poetry.
Don't count the syllables. Just count the number of accented syllables. Make it four per line, and don't worry about the unaccented syllables.
There should be a casesura, a pause, in the middle of the lines. It can be noted with punctuation, such as commas, dashes, colons semi and un-semi. Or just some kind of mental pause, or a gathering of breath if you spoke.
And alliteration. A.S. poetry doesn't rhyme--its sound echoes come at the start of the syllable, not the end.
And note: Not the first letter of the word, but of the first letter/sound of the accented syllable. "BeSIDE" would alliterate on the "S" sound, not "B".
Now, here's where the opinions differ.
Stephen describes it describes the rhythm (because if it doesn't have a rhythm or pattern, it ain't poetry), as boom-boom-boom-crash. He says you alliterate the first three accented syllables and the final one does not. The first three set up the pattern (boom-boom-boom) and the final gets some attention by refusing to go along (crash).
Other books*** (try Miller Williams wonderful Patterns of Poetry) suggest an easier style: that third accented syllable alliterates with the first AND/OR second syllable. Again, the last syllable mustn't alliterate.
Or just make it easy on yourself: 4 accented beats, and get some alliteration in there. Oh, and by the way, in A.S. poetry, all vowels alliterate with each other. I at least like to do it up Irish, and divide my vowels into "broad" and "narrow" and alliterate those.
********************
So....
Give me a few lines, hopefully at least four. Each with four beats, Make them alliterate at least once in each line. Yes, you can have enjambments between lines and couplets.
Topic: How's your day starting out? Anglo Saxon is good for strong statements, declarations of feelings and opinions, editorials, or just plain venting.
Of course, if you are feeling a bit more mellow, you can just give me lines and couplets of iambic pentameter, if you like.
And if you just feel like staring at your coffee, observe your cup and cubicle, and give me some senyru.
************************
**commercial note here to state that Stephen Fry is an amusing lad, and if you don't know poetry but are curious, he makes this less painful...and if you have suffered through a poetry class and know all your Greek terms, this book will finally let you enjoy the art and quiet thought of violent revenge against your past literature instructors
***Paul Taylor had some wonderful variations used in Icelandic poetry. Iceland uses the 4 accents and alliterate version noted by Miller Williams, and call it Epic Meter.
They have another vesion called Chant Meter which works in couplets. The first line is the standard 4 beat accentual, but the 2nd line of the couplet has only three accented syllables. This is where you see the start of Ballad meter and Emily Dickenson and the Yellow Rose of Texas.****
****And if you've discovered that old chestnut that much of Emily Dickenson's poetry can be sung to "The Yellow Rose of Texas", you might also like this page that notes that "the Shooting of Dan McGrew" has the same pattern as AeroSmith's "Walk This Way" has the same rhythmic pattern as the shooting of Dan McGrew.
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Date: 2008-01-24 06:11 pm (UTC)Works like this: standard iambic pentameter, but you only count the accented ones. This works beautifully for English, which is ultimately a shitty language for writing rhyming, bouncing poetry in (remember, the sonnet was an Italian invention, where 80% of all words end in vowels).
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Date: 2008-01-24 06:50 pm (UTC)I've decided to get back to Shields next week and borrow what I can on Hopkins and Welsh prosody. (Very little of use on the Internet on Welsh poetry that's accurate.)
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Date: 2008-01-24 06:51 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-01-26 08:06 am (UTC)Will be living in the stacks for a few weeks. And hav I finished the other books I assigned myself? Noooo....but the poetry books always get finished. And read through twice.
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Date: 2008-01-24 08:37 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-01-25 12:20 am (UTC)(In response to my day “starting out”)
My day is daintily dead, contrarily;
Your prompt applies imperfectly, sadly.
While your day yawns in yellow, all awake,
Mine sleeps so soundly and sighs--midnight.
I will be willing to rewrite this, therefore,
When alluring illumination lights: tomorrow.
Iambic Pentameter
(doesn’t scan perfectly, but I like it the way it is)
Today was gladly slow with waking up.
Adventures in my kitchen, my tea stained cup,
The soothing smell and warmth of breakfast tea
That curbs the outside cold to some degree.
I broke my fast with giggles and a friend,
And toast with cheese, which sadly had to end.
Seryu:
(I just counted syllables, since sounds is too short)
brain slept that morning
while the eyes dilated.
coffee complicates.
Blue mug, brown stained spoon,
Sugar shifts and soymilk streams.
Normal morning tea.
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I had fun, thanks for the excuse! : ) Keep doing this! WOO! Where's yours?
In the process of poking around for a rhyming dictionary, I found one that, though functional, had some of the most halarious weird matches for the simplest of things. I started putting in all my words just to see what it came up with.
For example:
"up" was listed as rhyming with "charred pancake cup"
"tea" was listed as rhyming with "american angelica tree"
How thats actually useful I have no idea, but it certainly was cause for amusement.
Love and hugs from far away,
mouse
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Date: 2008-01-26 08:15 am (UTC)Repeat to self: this is a hobby. People don't care if it's shit.
And I use an odd count for my some of my ku's and ru's. I don't worry about 5-7-5 syllables (well, sometimes), since English has such short words in relation to Japanese. To keep it brief, I figure 2-4 words/concepts per short lines,and 3-5 words/concepts per long lines.
weak green tea
old bag seeping bitter taste--
co-worker *still* talking