Adding up the costs

[temperance14]

More details about passing the food platter around the globe.

Too much green labeling....or trying to get the f***ing idea across about what all this costs AND YOU DON'T NEED EXOTIC FRUIT EVERY DAY, DAMMIT!

OK, I realize that DOES include my bananas.

Comments

[terpsichoros.livejournal.com]

Nobody has yet shown in any convincing way that cuting back CO₂ emissions will actually cause the climate to get cooler, much less that the costs of doing so will actually be worth the benefits. So don't worry about CO₂.

Real pollution is, in most capitalist countries, factored into costs for fuel, vehicles, etc. - so you're already paying the costs of pollution outside China in the prices of what you buy. The Chinese are paying the costs of pollution in their own country.

[whalejudge.livejournal.com]

And the bought and paid for "scientists" trotted out by the oil and coal companies haven't proved that cutting CO2 emissions will not help. Yet it is a fairly obvious logical step that, when emissions of CO2 are a problem, cutting them may very well help, and not cutting them will simply exacerbate the problem.

you're lying

[terpsichoros.livejournal.com]

"bought and paid for" - you're lying. There are reputable, independent scientists who challenge the anthropogenic global warming dogma, and to call them "bought" is a slander.

No climate scientist has managed to put together a climate model which successfully predicts the past, therefore none of them can be taken as reliable guides to the future.

There is significant evidence that there has been warming, but the best explanation so far has been solar variation (human CO₂ emissions don't explain warming on Mars or other planets which have tracked warming on earth in recent years).

Using the precautionary principle, we should not embark on a program which will result in easily-predicatable and fairly damaging economic dislocation when the benefits are unproven and unpredictable. Our subsidies for ethanol (which has a small impact on CO₂ emissions) have already caused significant hunger worldwide.

You are blinded by the dark side

[whalejudge.livejournal.com]

I was waiting to see how Temperance would respond, as such a title as you used would have gotten the post deleted in mine.

The "scientists" you believe may have credentials, but they also all seem to have some sort of tie to an industry--usually petroleum or coal--that has a vested monetary interest in preventing action. As a result, I consider them bought and paid for by the industry, and of no more credibility than the endless supply of authors of Tobacco Institute studies claiming nicotine wasn't addictive. If you choose to believe their propaganda that is up to you, but it does not mean that I am lying or that CO2 emissions are not a problem.

OK, I'm catching up now.

[temperance14.livejournal.com]

1. "you're lying" is not a great statement. I'm not speaking in terms of what is or is not allowed on LJ, or on my LJ. I just wouldn't regard it as the best way to phrase an argument on political or social debate. (Perfectly viable however if someone has made an intentionally false statement. Still, best reserved for intentionally false that are personally slanderouse.)

"You're sources are wrong", or "your media sources/pollsters/corporate spokesman/PAC spokesman/lobbyists/'4 out of 5 doctors' are actually purchased and on a the payroll of a political lobby/corporate media campaign"---that is a better way to phrase it.

And "bought and paid for" would fall under that. A bit vague however, as no one has said what scientists or experts were relied upon, so we can't determine who (because I'm sure as hell not going to assume They are all lying or purchased until someone clarifies who They are.

And frankly, the both of you, I was more focused on how much it cost in rising food prices, wasted nutrition (as pointed out in a different conversation with serendipity17), loss of low cost food to local populations OR loss of food processing jobs to local populations.

OK, I'm already snarky, and that's not helping this post either. I'm going to post this and back to work. And unsark.